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The Middle East has exploded into violence again. In Israel, suicide bombers have killed dozens of civilians in repeat attacks, and the Israeli military has invaded the territories administered by the Palestinian Authority.

How should the latest Israeli-Palestinian conflict be resolved? How would you advise Israeli Prime Minister Sharon, Palestinian Chairman Arafat, and US President Bush?
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  • Monday January 27, 2003 at 12:02 pm
    Is the archive missing the latest discussion, or am I confused?

    S Mourad
    Canada

  • Thursday February 13, 2003 at 6:35 pm
    The conflict should be resolved by the immediate removal of all arabs from judea samaria gaza, and israel. These are the mortal enemies of mankind. Want proof? watch the official channels of the Palestinian authority and saudi arabia and other arab countries that teach their children on kid shows to blow themselves up for God! They will never stop attacking the west wherever it may be. Israel is an excuse for them. They attack all over . Example - they attack India because they are Hindu. They attack Phillippines because they are christian. They attacked and took over Lebanon and Iran because they were christian nations. No matter how much we want peace with the Arabs of the world, they will never want peace with us.

    Long Live Israel
    United States

  • Thursday February 27, 2003 at 10:42 pm
    The Israeli-Palestinian conflict can and must be ended, but it can only be ended on the basis of quid pro quo. The quid pro quo for the withdrawal of the Israeli army from the west bank and gaza is the total and permanent cessation of all terrorist attacks emininating from these regions, and the total and permanent demiliterization of these territories. The quid pro quo for the withdrawal of the Israeli settlers in the west bank and gaza is the complete and total renunciation of the Palestinian "right of return" to pre-1967 Israel. It will do no good to dwell on the tragedies of the past. The past cannot be changed, only the future. The future of the middle east can either be a new future of peace or it can be an endless repitition of past tragedy.

    Mike Anderson
    Toronto
    Canada

  • Saturday March 01, 2003 at 3:26 am
    No one should agree with this 素orced occupation of the Palestinian Peoples [or of ANY BEINGS at all] not desiring a fight with anyone I just want to say 鍍he issue which prevents a movement to resolution of this 澱ad karma is centered about the 溺ountain we must get on with the fact that the state of Palestine is stalled on this point how long do we evade this fact -- logic dictates -- if it takes Israel痴 new temple site to make them 塗appy then so be it HOWEVER instead of 田learing this mutually holy site of the important 泥ome of the Rock with a so-called 薦rrant Rocket -- which is what I suspect [by psychic perceptions] is coming Israel, Great Britain and America should rightly and 妬nstantly pay out the Billions of Dollars needed to move it -- 壮tone by stone HERE IS THE CLINCHER -- to move it onto the 笛udicious and Auspicious border of Jordan 奏here the Palestinian peoples must be 摘mpowered by the World Community [and financed by the above mentioned three States] to create a NEW 全tate of the Art Capital City for their deserved new State -- whose 澱orders must NOT be marginalized into 殿 few miles or into a 田ity-state [I have ideas for fair borders] if old Jerusalem is going to EVER see her new Jewish Temple then this honorable 杜ove is the first step if it be a so-called 薦rrant Rocket that gets their 澱uilding process underway -- then nature and logic again dictate that NO amount of Diplomacy or Political Maneuvering shall promote 途esolution --- what to speak of 菟eace and 都ecurity. When the State of Israel was created -- there was a great deal of Wealth channeled by Americans to 詮ortify this state. There is no doubt that the world must soon admit that 都ecurity is NOT measured through -- Power and Weapons -- but by the 漸ualities of those possessing them. A new 奏rend must emerge amongst those so possessing If the truth is admitted global 努ar karma unchecked -- will soon bring the worst calamities to the whole planet which some are 努aiting for and will call 鄭rmageddon with serious intentions to cheat the innocent into thinking that a so-called 賎od predicted 兎nd times scenario is taking place. This will create even bigger disturbances as many people become suspicious of the 撤rovidential World Administration soon to emerge! Those that do not understand Scriptures -- will lead so many more who were even less inclined to search for truth -- to fight against a Providential 展orld Administration based on their gross misinterpretation of so-called 兎nd times predictions. This is the most 爽nfortunate aspect of this matter! The next item stratifying our situation is the self aggrandizing 電esires of so many 爽nqualified leaders [these leaders are found in 粗very country -- from local 田ommunity leaders to 都tate and 菟rovincial to 渡ational to 澱usiness to 途eligious 鼠eaders etc., (the offenders 遡now this of themselves!)] to 電ominate MUST STOP any and all 妬ll-conceived ownership of anything like the land and resources of this planet is a great blunder to those thus 訴llusioned --- this attitude is a botheration to the collective peace of everyone -- we must see that the planet earth is OUR small 田ollective home or ELSE we shall lose it ! Those who may be 双ffending aught to see earth痴 素ragile nature soon! Today痴 堵eneration has a duty to pass on this planet to future 組enerations WITHOUT all the 塗eavy baggage of a clash of civilizations karma we must know that we have little time left for collective action -- if we expect to even have a so-called 吐uture in 100 years. We must see that now it is time in this World we need ONE Real and 漸ualified Leader -- one NOT afraid to Rally and Fight for 禅rue Global Balance and Justice -- NOT a Region by Region 創eeds 閃IS-Calculation. Through 撤rovidence -- God will 殿ssist this Leader [who by this 叢roves himself] to reconcile all these issues to everyone痴 mutual satisfaction! -- We will have a Real and Qualified Global Administration [it is what was and it IS what God wants for us again] without any 斗oss of 鼠ocal or 叢ersonal identities and economic viability etc., we do NOT first need a collective global nightmare to understand thisall the world is responsible to see that this injustice is resolved -- without further chaos -- we all must understand 鍍o receive one has to give 鍍o be free one has to respect freedom 鍍o desire real peace means to respect all life and to 疎ct accordingly. Your servant, [http://forums.arabia.com/WebX?14@156.Iuunal3Bnxy.0@.1dea90d7!content=EN&page=1&sort=recent&view=expanded]

    Don Muntean
    Canada

  • Friday March 07, 2003 at 3:59 am
    The Way to slove the problem is to kill all Fucking Zionist in Palestine and around the wrold. Fuck America & Zionism

    Osama Ben LAden
    Mars

  • Friday March 07, 2003 at 4:00 am
    The Way to slove the problem is to kill all Fucking Zionist in Palestine and around the wrold. Fuck America & Zionism

    Osama Ben LAden
    Mars

  • Friday March 21, 2003 at 1:23 pm
    To Osama Ben LAden(above)or whoever you are. Why *@#! America and Zionism. You must be a Palestinian or Palestianian sympathist. Whatever the case I feel sorry for you and I wish good will to you and your people. I am an American raised Irish Catholic. I went to Catholic school in the U.S. and I was taught to love everyone no matter what sex, race, or religion. I don't practice any religion now other than praying to a Universal God when I need someone to talk to. I am very young and don't know much about what is going on in the middle east, except that religion is sacred and shouldn't be fought over(or land for that matter). I know this might sound crazy, but I want to heal the world. I believe I can make a differnce. My heart is as big as the world, but unfortunately my power isn't. If there was only a way the Palestinians and Israelis could share the Holy land, which to my current knowledge is partially destoyed from their fighting over it. It is really hard as an American to understand why so many people hate us. Just like in other countries, it's not the people in the country who are doing injustices, it is the rulers. So please don't hate America, just dislike some of our leaders who would rather have a pocketfull of cash than see lives saved. And to the person who wrote that we Americans should provide money to build a Palestinian state. Indeed America has lots of money, but I think what we really need to do is help the Palestinians create wealth of their own. Peace and good will to all.

    Hard Worker
    Chicago
    IL

  • Saturday March 29, 2003 at 4:37 pm
    The world has gone mad!Some people look no further than the end of their nose for the truth!It is people like Russis, France, Germany and all of those whom would protest this war, and people like you whom are against the Iraqi people! Saddam and his croonies has put his people in meat grinders, burned them with irons, drilled holes through their bones, and placed them in chemical bathes.Open your eyes for the Iraqi peoples sake. My heart goes out to them.There are Iraqi people living here in American whom told these stories and pictures to go with them. Saddam tells all of the news people he is winning to keep the Iraqi people in fear so they will fight for him. They fight for fear of him, except for his croonies whom are the only ones living high on the hog while his people starve. What the arab news isn't telling the arab stations is he is using his people as humane shields, and going house to house and taking the children and telling the people to fight or he will execute their families.An iraqi defector was found bound to a pole with his tongue cut out, and he bled to death.He is having his men dress in American army clothes, and when any Iraqi walks up to surrenderto whom he thinks is an American, they are executed on the spot.He is throwing mortars into large crowds of his own people and killimg many.This is the man the protesters want to protect? This is the regime the world cries for? You whom protest Against the war, protest against the tortured Iraqi people, and that is sick!!!Russia France and Germany are only worried about the weapons we will find there that they sold them, and the big oil contracts that Saddam has with them. Check these sites out and search for the truth! Look for other sites. This man and his croonies are Barberic B"s Read the Editorials on this link.----> http://www.iraqinews.com/links/pages/ ----------------->http://www.iraqfoundation.org/news/2003/cmar/3_protest.html

    True American God Bless America!! and Our Troops!!!!!!!
    NY

  • Saturday March 29, 2003 at 4:38 pm
    The world has gone mad!Some people look no further than the end of their nose for the truth!It is people like Russis, France, Germany and all of those whom would protest this war, and people like you whom are against the Iraqi people! Saddam and his croonies has put his people in meat grinders, burned them with irons, drilled holes through their bones, and placed them in chemical bathes.Open your eyes for the Iraqi peoples sake. My heart goes out to them.There are Iraqi people living here in American whom told these stories and pictures to go with them. Saddam tells all of the news people he is winning to keep the Iraqi people in fear so they will fight for him. They fight for fear of him, except for his croonies whom are the only ones living high on the hog while his people starve. What the arab news isn't telling the arab stations is he is using his people as humane shields, and going house to house and taking the children and telling the people to fight or he will execute their families.An iraqi defector was found bound to a pole with his tongue cut out, and he bled to death.He is having his men dress in American army clothes, and when any Iraqi walks up to surrenderto whom he thinks is an American, they are executed on the spot.He is throwing mortars into large crowds of his own people and killimg many.This is the man the protesters want to protect? This is the regime the world cries for? You whom protest Against the war, protest against the tortured Iraqi people, and that is sick!!!Russia France and Germany are only worried about the weapons we will find there that they sold them, and the big oil contracts that Saddam has with them. Check these sites out and search for the truth! Look for other sites. This man and his croonies are Barberic B"s Read the Editorials on this link.----> http://www.iraqinews.com/links/pages/ ----------------->http://www.iraqfoundation.org/news/2003/cmar/3_protest.html

    True American God Bless America!! and Our Troops!!!!!!!
    NY

  • Monday March 31, 2003 at 6:44 pm
    In less then a weak i drafting to the army. The draft in israel is a duty everybody must do. For 3 years i will give everything i can for my country- in a combat unit. However, in the last election i vote for a party that believe that israeli troops need to leave Gaza and the Wes bank. but the people around the world need to realize that there isn't magic solution. You realy think that if Israel withdraw from Gaza and the Westbank the terrorist attack would stop? the answer is not. And remember, there are people that have intrest if the conflict here wil continue. The palestinian want the Israelis to leave, better to the Mediterranean Sea.

    doesnt matter
    israel

  • Thursday April 03, 2003 at 5:36 pm
    As for Palestine and Israel, the best way to solve the problem is to get both sides to stop the illegal acts independently with international observers. Obviously, supporting one side while trying to be an honest broker is failing miserably. We condemn every Palestinian act of violence while looking the other way when Israel rejects 68 UN resolutions, stockpiles WMD, kills children, bulldozes peaceful protesters, violates the Geneva Convention and other international laws. We have cut ties with Arafat as per Israel's demand, which I'm not totally against, but if the issue is war crimes and rejecting the laws, we should not be talking to/funding Sharon or Israel until they reform and decide to respect the law (dismantle settlements, give back land to '67 or Partition, etc...). What it all boils down to is the double standard. There is one and it needs to stop if a just peace is ever to be found. Unfortunately, I don't think any US leader will risk popularity and funding to speak out for the oppressed Palestinians. There are probably more Jews than Arabs in the US and there are definitely more Jewish dollars funding candidates than any other group, so no one who desires public office can afford to break with the staus quo, as right and noble as it may be to stand up for the oppressed.

    peace 636
    USA

  • Thursday April 03, 2003 at 5:37 pm
    As for Palestine and Israel, the best way to solve the problem is to get both sides to stop the illegal acts independently with international observers. Obviously, supporting one side while trying to be an honest broker is failing miserably. We condemn every Palestinian act of violence while looking the other way when Israel rejects 68 UN resolutions, stockpiles WMD, kills children, bulldozes peaceful protesters, violates the Geneva Convention and other international laws. We have cut ties with Arafat as per Israel's demand, which I'm not totally against, but if the issue is war crimes and rejecting the laws, we should not be talking to/funding Sharon or Israel until they reform and decide to respect the law (dismantle settlements, give back land to '67 or Partition, etc...). What it all boils down to is the double standard. There is one and it needs to stop if a just peace is ever to be found. Unfortunately, I don't think any US leader will risk popularity and funding to speak out for the oppressed Palestinians. There are probably more Jews than Arabs in the US and there are definitely more Jewish dollars funding candidates than any other group, so no one who desires public office can afford to break with the staus quo, as right and noble as it may be to stand up for the oppressed.

    peace 636
    USA

  • Tuesday April 29, 2003 at 1:17 pm
    yes i would like to make an intellegent comment here that americans who talk about human rights are not using their heads clearly for the simple fact that american's went to war with hitler for killing the jews. now the jews are killing muslums and putting them into concentration camps in palistinian land. now the children are killing themselves to defend them selves how ever what else can they do? israel is aided from america to blow up the palistinians and stay on stolen land. now for the people who say that israel is jewish land especially americans who believe this then why are we fighting for the jewish people when the native americans and mexicans still have not had there land given back to them. america is showing how hipocritical it really is. israel is one of the smalleset country's in the world and is extremely rich. jewish people in america are the the riches people in america and our government cares more about these people who are living on stolen land. for the jews who are crying about being killed in israel well stealing someones land and then putting them into concentration camps and bulldozing their homes down well they need to be killed for those things. where are the human rights for the people living there. the palestinians are extremely poor and have nothing they are suicide bombing israel with their bodies because america and israel have more money and force them to disarm so they have to use what ever they have. so in conclusion there is no difference on what america did to the native americans and mexicans by taking their land and forcing them to relocate and suffer death,misery, and starvation compared to what the jewish people are doing to the palistinian people with america's help. also there are no differences between what hitler did to the jews. hitler killed the jews and did not even give them a chance to defend themselves, just like the jews are doing great example disarming iraq. the middle east belongs to the arabs. this is their land and only their land. no other country has a right to go over there and force them to disarm mean while israel has more then 100 nuclear weapongs. i think american citizens need to stand up and say no to our government and demand human rights for not only the palistnians but for us as well. for all of this evilness is in the name of the american people.

    nicole richardson
    middletown
    connecticut ,

  • Wednesday May 21, 2003 at 7:45 pm
    What are the possible ramifications on Israeli domestic politics and society should peace throughout the Middle East be established? Will Israel fall into civil war? What challenge would this present to America? "It would present no challenge to the US," No? What side would Americans support, the Center and Left in Israel, or the Right? "but why should peace lead to an Israeli civil war? I can understand that there will enormous debate about accepting the 'roadmap', but a civil war?" Actually, Israel was pretty close to civil war in the late 1940's. It had nothing to do with the peace process, but of the internal dynamics of Israel itself. In that particular case, Israel was close to civil war because moderates in the Knesset wanted to adopt a secular, written constitution. The Right wing vowed to go to war before such a document ever exists in israel. This tension still exists today. The assassination of Rabin was by a fringe Israeli? He!l no! A full 20% of Israeli society supports what that terrorist did, and calls for Israel to become a theocracy along the lines of Iran (Judaism in place of Islam of course). Please understand that the ONE thing and the ONLY thing that Israelis can all agree on is the need to defend the Israeli state from Arab aggression. Beyond that, Israel is as deeply divided as the North and South before the Civil War, all be it for different reasons. The differences, however, are no less marked.

    Jake Kocienda
    Japan

  • Wednesday May 21, 2003 at 7:47 pm
    What are the possible ramifications on Israeli domestic politics and society should peace throughout the Middle East be established? Will Israel fall into civil war? What challenge would this present to America? "It would present no challenge to the US," No? What side would Americans support, the Center and Left in Israel, or the Right? "but why should peace lead to an Israeli civil war? I can understand that there will enormous debate about accepting the 'roadmap', but a civil war?" Actually, Israel was pretty close to civil war in the late 1940's. It had nothing to do with the peace process, but of the internal dynamics of Israel itself. In that particular case, Israel was close to civil war because moderates in the Knesset wanted to adopt a secular, written constitution. The Right wing vowed to go to war before such a document ever exists in israel. This tension still exists today. The assassination of Rabin was by a fringe Israeli? He!l no! A full 20% of Israeli society supports what that terrorist did, and calls for Israel to become a theocracy along the lines of Iran (Judaism in place of Islam of course). Please understand that the ONE thing and the ONLY thing that Israelis can all agree on is the need to defend the Israeli state from Arab aggression. Beyond that, Israel is as deeply divided as the North and South before the Civil War, all be it for different reasons. The differences, however, are no less marked.

    Jake Kocienda
    Tokyo
    Japan

  • Saturday June 07, 2003 at 6:21 pm
    The Arab-Israeli conflict is as old as time. In order to understand the reasons for the conflict, and begin to propose solutions, the cultural, religious and historical origins must be examined and understood. Whlist it is undesirable to delve in strictly a religious based reason or deduction, Political Analysts acknowledge, that much of the world's conflict is based on Religious grounds. The Arab-Israeli conflict being no exception to the rule. Both the Israelis and the Arabs come from a common Patriarch (which is acknowledged in both the Torah, the Quaran, and the modern Judeo Christian Bible), that Patriarch being Abraham. This is interesting, as it simply means that Two Brothers are fighting in a fierce battle for control. The Brothers will attack any one that attempts to force a solution on them from outside the family. Whilst it is not preferable to see the displacement of the Palestian Nationals from the West Bank/Gaza Strip, it may be inevitable. The Palestinians should be patriated to a land common to several middle eastern countries, where the group can officially establish the new nation state of Palestine. It would mean that Arab nations come to a common compromise in where this land will be located on their borders. The United States and Europe have to take the lead in this process. Of course given the compleixity of cultures in the Middle East, this posssible solution will be a challenge. It however is the most amicable. The United Nations has failed as a body to bring peace to the zone, and as such, really has very little moral authority to lead in negotiations. The role of the UN will simply be to open channels of communication for the Negotiators. Selection of the Negotiators has to be very careful, as they would have to have the trust of both Arabs and Israelis. I believe a good proprtion of the Negotiators should come from The Afro-Asian Blocks, as well as from the Arab-Israeli diaspora; with Euro-American Guidance. The Israeli Arab Peace Process is a complicated issue and wil not be solved overnight. A Long range, strategic plan for the creation of a new homeland for Palestinians must be forged. Without this, there can be no hope of lasting peace in the Middle East. There is another underlying reason for much of the conflict. This is chiefly, the economic gap between the Industrialised and devloping nations. The G-8 must find practical ways to narrow this gap as soon as possible. Otherwise, individual citizens of both the Industrialised, and lessor developed nations will go around thier governments trying to solve problems by vigilante means. Many of these citizens as we know, perhaps reside in the Middle East. The LDC's must be given a clear plan and commitment by the G-8 as quickly as possible. They must see themselves as full partners in world development, entitled to all the benefits of such. The United States has begun to forge positive ties with Middle eastern nations, which is good. There also has to be more dialogue on cultural and educational exchange between the West and the Middle east, to break down the walls of mistrust. However, Religious prophecy common to both the Torrah, the Quaran and the Judeo -Christian Bible must be fulfilled. True Peace will not come until the end of this present age.

    Keith Dean
    Nassau
    The Bahamas

  • Saturday August 02, 2003 at 12:33 pm
    "In order to understand the reasons for the conflict" Rarely is something so simple made so complicated. The reason for the conflict is the theft of Palestine.

    Jennifer Winkler
    USA

  • Saturday August 23, 2003 at 6:19 pm
    The Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be resolvable once terrorism is rooted out of the area. To the extent that the Israeli government actually maintains its resolve and eradicates the terror factions, all good. This is the only step I can think of that will actually promote peace. And until that happens, a comprehensive settlement is simply impossible.

    Cecile Smith
    USA

  • Thursday September 11, 2003 at 10:27 pm
    The Israelis largely established their state through terrorism, as well as, of course, using it to maintain it. Matthew Hogan, "The 1948 Massacre at Deir Yassin Revisited," The Historian, Winter 2001 "Fahimi Zeidan remembered hiding with her family when the house door was blasted open. The guerrillas took them outside. 'They shot my brother Mahmoud in our presence, and when my mother screamed and bent over him, they shot her too.' Then the children were put against the wall and fired upon." (from www.stanford.edu/~bgiddens/massacres.htm) Ilan Pappe, "The Tantura Case in Israel: The Katz Research and Trial," Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 30, No. 3 (Spring, 2001), pp. 19-39 "The people of Tantura were rounded up and led to the beach, where the men were separated from the women and children. The men were either seated or made to stand against a wall and were shot at the back of the head. Another 100 or so victims were dispatched in this phase." (from www.stanford.edu/~bgiddens/massacres.htm) In 1948 " Jacques de Reynier, the Swiss representative of the International Red Cross, entered Deir Yassin after the fighting stopped but while the massacre continued. That night he wrote in his diary that Jews were still entering houses with guns and knives. He said they seemed half insane. He saw a beautiful young Jewish woman carrying a blood-covered dagger. Explaining screams, a German Jewish Irgun member told Reynier that they were still finishing off the massacre. He saw a young woman stab an old couple at the doorway of their home. The Red Cross agent wrote that the scene reminded him of S.S. troops he had seen in Athens... " Zionist leaders denied responsibility for the massacre. Ben-Gurion, the leader in Palestine of the yishuv, apologized to Emir Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. He blamed "unofficial" terrorist groups. "The Zionists tried to prevent reports of the massacre from reaching the outside world. Irgun leaders in vain threatened Jacques de Reynier's life to get him to falsify his report to the Red Cross. However, the yishuv eagerly publicized the massacre among Palestinian Arabs. Yishuv radio stations broadcast in Arabic about Deir Yassin. Yishuv forces about to attack Arab villagers reminded them by loudspeakers about Deir Yassin in order to panic them into fleeing rather than staying and fighting. Arabs also publicized the massacre but later realized this was a mistake because it frightened Arabs into fleeing when yishuv forces approached. Irgun leader Menachem Begin stated that after the massacre Arabs throughout Palestine "started to flee for their lives....Of the about 800,000 Arabs who lived on the present territory of the State of Israel, only some 165,000 are still living there. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated." According to Mideast scholar Seth Tillman, Begin claimed that in effect "the terror associated with Deir Yassin precipitated events that enabled the new state of Israel to rid itself of the bulk of its Arab population and thus to acquire its demographic character as a Jewish state." (from www.al-bushra.org/America.ch9.html) Benny Morris, an Israeli historian, did an exhaustive study of the 1948 Palestinian exodus. From www.palestineremembered.com: "In the opening pages of "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", Benny Morris offers the outlines of an overall answer: using a map that shows the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population (9). In 45 cases he admits that he does not know. The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were EXPELLED by military force. In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or for fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army - particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, where the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire. "By contrast, he found only six cases of departures at the instigation of local Arab authorities. "There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons)." ("The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", p. 129)." (from www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story674.htm) Mr. Sharon's own history in terrorism is explored in detail in "A lifetime credo" at Al-Ahram's website (http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/654/op2.htm).

    Jennifer Winkler
    USA

  • Tuesday September 30, 2003 at 10:48 pm
    In the 1920's the foreign minister of Germany was Gustav Stresemann. Stressemann worked hard to bring Germany into the League of Nations, to annull the harsh provisions of the Versailles Treaty, and to fight extremists such as the Nazis. Before he died, Stresseman compared his labours to those of the mythical king Sisyphus, condemned to eternally roll a giant stone up a hill only to have it tumble back down again just as he reached the top. "Whenever one has rolled the stone up far enough so that one can believe in a stabilization of the general situation, then some fanatic plunges us into a new misfortune". Stresemann's commment might just as easily be applied to the middle east today. Every time peace seems in sight, there is a fresh terrorist bombing, a new reprisal, another assassination, and the whole vicious cycle of war begins all over again. A conflict that has gone on for fifty years can easily endure for another hundred. During the American civil war, President Lincoln sought the end of slavery and a "just and lasting peace" with the south. Tragically, Lincoln was assassinated, and a harsh regime of Reconstruction was imposed upon the defeated south. Desperate southerners were driven into the arms of the racist extremists of the Ku Klux Klan who imposed segregation and oppression of southern blacks for a century afterwards. Like Lincoln, Prime Minister Rabin of Israel and President Sadat of Egypt sought peace, and, like Lincoln they wer tragically assassinated. The Arab-Israeli war of 1947-48 was primarily an infantry war. Both sides lacked tanks and motorized vehicles. As the victorious Israeli armies advanced, the Palestinian arabs had plenty of oppurtunity to flee to safety, which they took advantage of. International law upholds their right to return but such a return would mean suicide for Israel, and no nation can be expected to commit suicide. Ironically, the Israeli victory of 1948 was only made possible by Soviet-made weapons supplied via Czechoslovakia. The first President of Palestine was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a former nazi collaberator who called for a Jihad against the Jews of Palestine. As the war opened, the Secretary-General of the Arab League called for the Jews to be masscared in a manner that recalled the massacres of the crusades and the mongol hordes. Greece and Turkey fought a series of wars against each other ovwer the course of a century, finally bringing peace by agreeing on a population exchange. Such an arrangement seems like the only way to bring peace to the middle east.

    Mike Anderson
    Toronto
    Canada

  • Wednesday October 22, 2003 at 10:52 am
    i tried to get into the discussion group about borders. what can i say? american professors of international law kno app. nothigh about the middle east history! discussant1 meant. after the (then 1914-1918)imperial powers france and england carved up the ottoman empire britain was the country to rule the mandate of palestine by the league of nations which does not exist anymore. syria and lebanon went to france.the original mandate borders includuded pre67 israel, the west bank ,the gaza strip,transjordan and the golan heightsas wellas smallareass that belong today to lebanon. between them they agreed to turn over most of the golan heights to france and established an "international" a border afew miles from the shores of lake galilee. hey drew a ridiculous border to lebanon which divided villages. natives were not consulted. after the expulsion of the hashemites from the hedjaz king husseins grand father got of a train at a place called amman. he wanted a reward for the socalled arab uprising of the arabs. churchill drew a line along the jordan river and declared abdallah king of transjordan with a british officered army to come.those were the first divisions most people are unaware of.after israel agreed to the partition of the restpalestine arabarmies invaded, were defeated and a state of israel existed not proclaimed by the UN which is also not necessary the west bank was annexed by transjordan's army and the gaza strip by the egyptians. i wonder if anybody can talk of borders. neither egypt or now the hashemite kingdom of jordan declared a palestinian state. the border to egypt was sealed and jerusalem not important. friday prayers were transmitted fom amman'mosque.even the border to egypt was discussed during the early 20th century. for discussions sake there are international agreed on borders with egypt, lebanon and jordan how can anybody call the armisticeline of 1948 the border of a palestine.just because the west bank was made free of jews while israel has an arab minority that refuses to be attached to any future palestine.

    truth galillee
    israel

  • Tuesday March 16, 2004 at 10:30 am
    I need to a americanarmyclothes. call me if you can. my phone number is: 0098-0351-8210810

    mory niaee
    yazd
    iran

  • Thursday April 15, 2004 at 3:57 pm
    I fail to see how those still claiming the Taba talks were extremely fruitful and neared conflict resolution after the Palestinian reaction to G W's speech yesterday can still hold the same beliefs. The palestinians I believe were genuinly shocked that the 'refugees' will not be allowed to 'return' (the vast majority having infact never set foot in Israel and simply cannot return) and also with the realisation that Israel will keep some of the 'west bank'. This has been obvious since day one. Did the palestinians and their supporters really, honestly believe that this wouldn't be so? I can't believe that. If they did believe the refugees would return and Israel would withdraw to the 1949 armictice lines then the PLO have done a great job of mass dellusion. So, the sollution? More of Bush's speech. The sooner the palestinians are dragged into reality the sooner this conflict will end.

    Shaun R
    leeds
    UK

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